1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Flying saucers and alien invasions. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Once the stuff of science fiction. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Not anymore. 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 We're all going against the wind. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,000 The wind's 120 knots west. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,000 Oh, I think it. 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,000 I do not have an explanation for what this object is. 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,000 But in the land down under, 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,000 UFO sightings aren't one-off events. 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 They're happening almost daily. 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,000 I have no idea what this thing is. 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Australia and New Zealand. 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Isolated countries floating in an ocean of blue 14 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,000 are attempting location for first contact. 15 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,000 I've seen some weird things in my life that's the weirdest. 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Call the flying saucer, call the UFO, call the UAP. 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 One thing's for sure is not a plane. 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Using eyewitness accounts. 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 It's like a bloody clown saucer. 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,000 And expert commentary. 21 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,000 That was physical evidence. 22 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,000 Now for the first time, 23 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,000 the Southern Hemisphere's UFO encounters are under the microscope. 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 This is seriously a UFO, look. 25 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Is there something going on that will change what we know 26 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,000 about our universe? 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,000 In this episode, we travel to Australia's north. 28 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:35,000 To the state they call Queensland, a place of extremes. 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,000 From dense rainforests stretching along the coast 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,000 to a bone-dried desert interior. 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 It's best known for the world heritage listed 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 in the world heritage list. 33 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,000 The world heritage list is the world heritage list. 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 A vast living entity. 35 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,000 So big, you can see it from space. 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Maybe that's a clue to why this part of the country 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:06,000 has more than its share of recorded UFO sightings. 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,000 First, our investigation for the UAP. 39 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,000 First, our investigation focuses on the mineral-rich inland, 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,000 where billions of dollars are taken from the earth 41 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,000 and workers fly in from the big cities. 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,000 To the mining town of Middlemount, a dry and dusty place. 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,000 But where the skies are clear, 44 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,000 the perfect backdrop to observe aerial phenomena. 45 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 And that's what's happened here. 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,000 With a UFO sighting, you hope for a believable witness 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,000 or credible footage. 48 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 You rarely get the two together. 49 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,000 But in this story, we found both. 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,000 My name is Les Marsden and I witness the UFO. 51 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,000 Les Marsden is a hard-working, no-nonsense coal miner 52 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:10,000 who didn't believe in UFOs until he saw one. 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Just a regular run-of-the-mill day. 54 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,000 When I first noticed the UFO... 55 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 You see it? 56 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Sure did. 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,000 I had the foresight to pull the phone out and start recording it. 58 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,000 In that time, I was in an area that was away 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 from where everybody else was working, 60 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:38,000 and that's where we saw this orb in the middle of the day. 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,000 I saw this orb in the sky. 62 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Les' sighting took place in July of 2019. 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:51,000 He saw the same object in the same place two days in a row. 64 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,000 This mysterious object in the sky seemed to be floating 65 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,000 and slowly traversing across the sky. 66 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 But then something else happened. 67 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:07,000 The object split and one UFO became two. 68 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000 A little piece actually broke off it, 69 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,000 and the orb actually descended to the Earth 70 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,000 while the main body stayed in the sky. 71 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,000 That little piece is landing, Tiddles. It's coming down. 72 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Yeah, and the other one's going higher. 73 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,000 That's unbelievable. 74 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,000 I can't. This is spooky. 75 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:32,000 The man on the radio is Tiddly Morrison, Les' co-worker. 76 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Tiddly has worked this mine for 16 years. 77 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,000 He's a grandfather, and he's seen a lot. 78 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,000 But this is the first time he saw anything like this at work. 79 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,000 That's about the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life. 80 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,000 I'll never forget it. Hey, I'll never forget it. 81 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Tiddly saw the object from another part of the mine. 82 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,000 I saw this thing up in the air. 83 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,000 I picked up the radio and I said, Jesus, 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000 I said, check that out to the south there. 85 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,000 And I said, Jesus, it looks like a bloody flying saucer. 86 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,000 The orb actually descended out of the sky 87 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:16,000 and landed in a clearing not too far away. 88 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,000 What these things are, we'll just put the legs in. 89 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 We'll just call one landing in the air. 90 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,000 It must have been definitely something or whatever 91 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,000 inside that machine, whatever it was. 92 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,000 For it to do what it did, when it went down the ground 93 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,000 not far from us, we said, Jesus, what's going to happen here? 94 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 What are they going to get out and come over to water? 95 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,000 We were crapping ourselves to tell you on the streets. 96 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:50,000 I said some weird things in my life, 97 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,000 but I'll tell you what, that's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. 98 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:59,000 The main body of the UFO was a fairway in the distance. 99 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 After a truck had come and I'd loaded it, 100 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,000 I turned and looked up into the sky 101 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,000 and where it had landed in the field, 102 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,000 it was now back up in the sky again. 103 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,000 So I managed to capture a few more videos of it 104 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,000 as it just lingered around the area that I was working. 105 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,000 I just a minute ago, I was filming out that window 106 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,000 and it was up there before it was back over there. 107 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,000 And now, it's up there. 108 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 I have no idea what this thing is. 109 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,000 This man could give Les some answers. 110 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Roger Stankovic has investigated thousands of UFO cases. 111 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000 He's the National Director of the Mutual UFO Network, 112 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,000 or MUFON for short. 113 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,000 An organization that assesses the credibility of UFO reports 114 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 across the globe. 115 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Each year in Australia, MUFON receives around 120 reports 116 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:12,000 that warrant a thorough investigation. 117 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,000 By contrast, around 1400 sightings are reported 118 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,000 in the United States each year. 119 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Roughly similar per head statistics between the countries. 120 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,000 But given both countries are around the same size, 121 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 it's fair to argue Australia has vast open regions 122 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,000 that escape any scrutiny. 123 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,000 An outback event could happen and no one would ever know. 124 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,000 I think it is a highly unusual case because you've got 125 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,000 multiple witnesses, you've got it landing, 126 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,000 you've got a daylight sighting and it's on video. 127 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 And he has cred. 128 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Roger's a doctor and a neuroscientist. 129 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,000 I have a neuroscience background and I am very familiar 130 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,000 with research work. 131 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000 We can apply those principles to investigating 132 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,000 UFO reports as well. 133 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,000 If we've eliminated all the different possibilities 134 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,000 that it could be, we'd determine it to be an unknown. 135 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,000 And throughout this series, he will analyse footage 136 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,000 provided by primary witnesses. 137 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Will there's a sighting past Roger's examination? 138 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,000 As you can see, it seems to be stationary there. 139 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,000 It's got an unusual shape to it. 140 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,000 It's changing shape. 141 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000 It signifies that there's something that's defying gravity 142 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,000 in some way and it's able to move around 143 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,000 without any obvious propulsion system 144 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,000 other than what could be anti-gravity. 145 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,000 It also indicates that it's not a conventional propulsion system 146 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,000 that it's actually using. 147 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,000 The UFO appeared to change shape 148 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,000 and colours frequently. 149 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,000 So at the first instance of the sighting, 150 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:22,000 it appeared to be just a pulsating orb 151 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 so there's no real fixed shape. 152 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 It's sort of just pulsating 153 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,000 and it was relatively round to view 154 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,000 and that's the shape that sort of descended and landed. 155 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 We could just change shape again. 156 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,000 It actually changed shape into more of a pyramid 157 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000 with definite hard angles. 158 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,000 So like a triangular shape. 159 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,000 It sort of looked like one of the Star Wars destroyers 160 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,000 at one stage and there was all sorts of speculation 161 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,000 as to what it could be. 162 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,000 People were putting out there maybe a weather balloon, 163 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,000 maybe a gas pocket and things like this 164 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,000 but all the suggestions that we're putting forward 165 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,000 while not instantly dismissed 166 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,000 just didn't seem to correlate 167 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,000 to what we're actually seeing in the sky on the day. 168 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,000 The fact that it landed in is very interesting too 169 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,000 which would preclude the fact that it would be a balloon to me. 170 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000 That really discounts the weather balloon. 171 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,000 You very rarely find in a UFO video 172 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,000 no flight surfaces, no sound. 173 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:38,000 It rates fairly highly for me in terms of a significant video. 174 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:44,000 But remember, Lez's eyewitness report described this UFO separating. 175 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,000 A little piece actually broke off it. 176 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 This is significant because while unusual, it's not unique. 177 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,000 It's not the first time that something like this has been reported. 178 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,000 It was a 1976 Iran incident where a fighter pilot 179 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,000 had encountered a similar object in the night time. 180 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,000 There was a small orb that came off the object. 181 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Why intense surfaces in the UFO? 182 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,000 After capturing the UFO on film, 183 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,000 it was a little bit of, you know, 184 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 just as usual loading the trucks and things 185 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,000 but it certainly gave me a lot to think about while I was in the loader. 186 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,000 The whole time I was witnessing it, I was just in awe of what this was. 187 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,000 It was just such a new experience 188 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:44,000 that you could only really put in the category of science fiction. 189 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,000 The whole time I was filming, I'm like, I don't know what this is, 190 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,000 but it's there. 191 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,000 I can see it and now it's on film. 192 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,000 I'm unsure as to the intentions of the object. 193 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,000 There's so much vastness out there 194 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,000 that it's quite naive to think that we're the only, you know, 195 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,000 sentient or advanced civilization. 196 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Having witnessed what I just witnessed, 197 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:19,000 open-mindedness is now at the forefront of my experience. 198 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Subtitling 199 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:40,000 UFO sightings generally make for big headlines, 200 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,000 but there are those who keep UFO sightings to themselves 201 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 for fear of persecution. 202 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,000 Jamie Leonardo is a UFO investigator. 203 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,000 He's also a former therapist, 204 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,000 and he knows the toll going public has on those who speak out. 205 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,000 It's frighteningly devastating to those going through it, 206 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,000 and I think that's one of the biggest frustrations. 207 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,000 We're missing out on a clearer picture 208 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,000 because this is still the subject of ridicule and skepticism. 209 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Jamie and his wife Asper run Australia's 24-hour UFO hotline. 210 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,000 It's a confidential service. 211 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:27,000 And we get phone calls here all the time at all hours of the day and night. 212 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Sometimes when we get these calls or get the emails, 213 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,000 I don't even really think about where it's happening so much 214 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,000 as what's happening to this person 215 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 and how we can help this person. 216 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Because they know that the ones that have come out and said something 217 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000 have been ridiculed, 218 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,000 some of them have been run out of town, 219 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,000 their lives and reputations have been destroyed. 220 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Why would you do it? 221 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,000 Next investigation. 222 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Most compelling UFO landing cases. 223 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,000 The matted reeds in a lagoon 224 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,000 that had two regular Aussie farmers 225 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 who were killed in a car accident. 226 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,000 The reeds in a lagoon that had two regular Aussie farmers 227 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,000 questioning their sanity 228 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,000 and launched a pop culture phenomenon across the world. 229 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,000 It's hard enough for UFO witnesses who come forward today, 230 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,000 but imagine what it was like more than 60 years ago. 231 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:42,000 In 1966, in the Queensland rainforest town of Tully, 232 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:48,000 evidence of a UFO landing sent shockwaves around the globe. 233 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,000 This is a famous event about a crop circle 234 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,000 that upended the lives of the two farmers who witnessed it 235 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,000 and triggered a sequence of events 236 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,000 that would ignite a modern cultural phenomenon. 237 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,000 Tully is famous for being the wettest place in Australia. 238 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,000 A golden gumboot is the town's proud totem. 239 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,000 It's just shy of 8 metres tall. 240 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,000 That's how much rain falls here in a year. 241 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,000 This is sugarcane and banana growing country. 242 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,000 It's quiet and it's remote. 243 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Anything unusual that happens here gets noticed. 244 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,000 And what happened here in 1966 was extremely unusual 245 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,000 and it sure got noticed. 246 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,000 The event became known as the Tully Saucer Nest. 247 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,000 The case centres around two local farmers, 248 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,000 George Pedley and Albert Panisi. 249 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Sadly, these two men passed away. 250 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,000 But their stories live on through our Australian UFO investigators. 251 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Cheryl Gotchell, president of UFO Research Queensland, 252 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 knew Albert Panisi. 253 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 It was unexplainable evidence. 254 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,000 So it was evidence of something really remarkable that took place. 255 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,000 So here's an image of this is Albert Panisi. 256 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,000 He waited out to the centre of what was now being called 257 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,000 the Tully Saucer Nest 258 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 because there were a million people who came up there 259 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,000 and they saw it. 260 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:38,000 And these are the images here of the nest 261 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,000 and him sitting on top of it as it's floating on top of the lagoon. 262 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,000 And over here, to give you an idea of the size, 263 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,000 is a man standing there. 264 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:59,000 So it gives you an idea of the size of the nest. 265 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Then there's UFO investigator Bill Chalker. 266 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,000 He's an industrial chemist, a man of science, 267 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000 who's all about the evidence. 268 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000 And that's why he believes this case is so important. 269 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,000 It was one of the best, most compelling UFO landing cases. 270 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,000 So it was quite a striking physical evidence case. 271 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:32,000 And Tully to this day has been known as one of the UFO capitals of Australia. 272 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,000 In 1981, Bill Chalker interviewed the younger of the two farmers, 273 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000 George Pedley. 274 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,000 It was one of the best eyewitness testimonies, 275 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000 unfortunately from a single witness, 276 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,000 but a very compelling witness. 277 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,000 UFO expert Aspa Leonharder 278 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:54,000 ranks Tully as one of the most important cases in the UFO phenomenon. 279 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000 And there's a reason why. 280 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,000 Tully in 1966 made worldwide headlines. 281 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,000 So what did happen in this rainforest town in the summer of 1966? 282 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,000 The Tully saucer nest mystery began on a fine January morning. 283 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Banana farmer, 28-year-old George Pedley, 284 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,000 was driving a tractor through his neighbour's farm. 285 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,000 And he hears this really loud hissing sound. 286 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 And he thinks that it's maybe the puncture. 287 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,000 He's punctured one of his tires and stops 288 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,000 and gets out to check it out. 289 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,000 Now, the route along which George drove his tractor 290 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:46,000 passed alongside what was locally known as Horseshoe Lagoon. 291 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:52,000 All of a sudden, he sees this thing saucer rising out of, you know, 292 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000 near the lagoon area. 293 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,000 He looks across to the lagoon, Horseshoe Lagoon, 294 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,000 and directly within about 20 or 30 feet of him, 295 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,000 he sees what appears to be a very large, 296 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,000 very small, very small object. 297 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,000 And he sees what appears to be a disc-shaped mass, 298 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,000 seem to be a structured object, 299 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,000 rising in the air above the lagoon. 300 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,000 And it goes up to about 30 or 40 feet. 301 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,000 A grey saucer-shaped object, it was about 25 feet across. 302 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,000 It appeared out of the lagoon, rose to treetop height, 303 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000 and tilted to one side, 304 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,000 at an incredible speed, but making no sound. 305 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,000 And just take off and, you know, freaked out. 306 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000 George leapt from his tractor and made his way through 307 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,000 two-meter-high soiled grass that lines the water's edge. 308 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,000 And he saw a large, circular area 309 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,000 rotating water that was now completely devoid of rains. 310 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,000 George Peddley had to share what he'd seen. 311 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,840 He saw an ancient lagoon with Albert Panissi 312 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,000 to the newly matted reeds. 313 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,000 They found that all the reeds had been pulled out 314 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000 from the bottom of the lagoon. 315 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,000 The main feature in the lagoon at that point 316 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,000 was what appeared to be almost like a natural pontoon effect 317 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,000 of tightly-woven swordgrass 318 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 into a huge, kind of, floating mass 319 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,000 around about the dimensions of the object that he saw. 320 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:30,000 and had a depression in the top of the floating pontoon of sword grass 321 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,000 that seemed to be consistent with the shape of the object that had taken off. 322 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,000 A local photographer rushed to the site. 323 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Here, Albert sits on the 30-foot floating pontoon of grass, 324 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,000 and George Peddley stands in front of it. 325 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,000 And apparently George went into the water 326 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,000 and to see if there was anything down there, 327 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,000 and saw the indentation of three different, you know, 328 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,000 some sort of an impression in the ground there. 329 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:06,000 So he speculated that it was the landing gear of whatever it was that took off. 330 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,000 George was interviewed by a local newspaper. 331 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,000 Word quickly spread of what happened at Horseshoe Lagoon. 332 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,000 And tourists flocked to the site. 333 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,000 The rainforest town of Tully made international headlines. 334 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,000 But farmers George and Albert were ridiculed as country bumpkins 335 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,000 who'd partaken too much of the local roam. 336 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:39,000 Fortunately, Albert was captured by amateur video many years later 337 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000 at a UFO conference before he died. 338 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:49,000 That's just the nest that came up after he came back. 339 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:55,000 It's a crockwilds and 10 metres into the ammeter in five feet of water. 340 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:01,000 And the shade that mowed that was made some pale. 341 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,000 It filled me and those crockwilds. 342 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,000 All the big circles were crockwilds. 343 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,000 The Tully crop circle investigation continues. 344 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:20,000 And then the one-frame flash that has UFO experts baffled. 345 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:27,000 In January 1966 in Tully, Queensland, Australian farmer George Peddley 346 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,000 witnessed what he believed was a UFO rising from the earth 347 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,000 and leaving behind a major indentation in his land. 348 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:41,000 The Tully crop circle was a major event that was created 349 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000 in the early 1960s. 350 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,000 And the Tully crop circle was a major event that was created 351 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 in the early 1960s. 352 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,000 A major indentation in his land. 353 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,000 The so-called Tully saucer nest. 354 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,000 It's a story that's spread like wildfire. 355 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,000 So a million people came up there and they saw it. 356 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Scientists, meteorologists, the government 357 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000 descended on Tully to try to explain what happened. 358 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,000 Well, with Tully, it certainly looks like it's where a saucer came down. 359 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,000 And they saw samples of the matted reeds. 360 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,000 The reeds were sent off to be tested, 361 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,000 but the testing didn't find anything unusual about the reeds. 362 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,000 Theories of what caused the strange phenomena 363 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000 swirled around the community. 364 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,000 There were a list of possible causes, including helicopters, 365 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,000 birds, crocodiles, and even grubs. 366 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,000 The RAAF, or Royal Australian Air Force, 367 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,000 was created and confirmed that there were neither military 368 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,000 nor civil aircraft operating in the area on that summer morning. 369 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:00,000 They put Georgia's story down to the weather. 370 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,000 They suggested the nest may have been created by a willy-willy, 371 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,000 Australian slang for a mini-tornado. 372 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,000 UFO experts dismiss this. 373 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,000 For the RAAF to come up with an explanation 374 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,000 like it being a willy-willy or something like that 375 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000 was pretty typical of the time, 376 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000 but those explanations don't hold up 377 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:32,000 when you actually examine the structure of this floating matted reeds. 378 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,000 It just can't be done by those types of things. 379 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,000 It would be far messier than what it was. 380 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,000 But farmer George was dismissed as a crank. 381 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,000 The willy-willy theory stuck. 382 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,000 So what happened in 66 was the authorities came out 383 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,000 and dismissed this as a whirlwind. 384 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Or what was the colloquial term, a willy-willy, 385 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,000 you know, which instantly makes it an aspect of ridicule. 386 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,000 How stupid were you as a farmer 387 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,000 to not even see what could happen so easily 388 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000 through natural causes on your property 389 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,000 and create this big confuffle? 390 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,000 But farmer George shared what he saw 391 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,000 with fellow farmer Albert Panisi. 392 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,000 And then it became even stranger. 393 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000 In a newspaper interview, 394 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,000 Albert spoke of dreams and premonitions before the event. 395 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,000 Albert had been having dreams about UFOs. 396 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:48,000 So when George told him that he'd seen this in the near the Lagoon area, 397 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000 he wasn't surprised. 398 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,000 He hadn't been watching any television programs on the subject matter. 399 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,000 This just came to him. 400 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,000 So there seems to be an extraordinary relationship 401 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000 with people's consciousness 402 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,000 in terms of these sightings of these objects. 403 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000 The Tully incident would shatter the peaceful farming lives 404 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000 of George Peddley and Albert Panisi. 405 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,000 The valuable UFO information they could share 406 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,000 was suppressed for fear of being publicly shamed. 407 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,000 After the initial Tully incident 408 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,000 with the very large saucer nest, 409 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Albert would also come across other nests 410 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,000 in the area of the properties. 411 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000 But he didn't go public with them 412 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,000 because that particular one in 1966, 413 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,000 it just brought so many people to his property. 414 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000 He just trampled all over it. 415 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:50,000 And he didn't always have a good reception from the public, 416 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,000 so he just didn't want to put himself through that again. 417 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000 However, after much cajoling, 418 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:01,000 in 2006, Albert was convinced to speak at a conference 419 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,000 organised by Cheryl Gotchell. 420 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Albert never got his wish for a full formal investigation 421 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,000 into the remarkable events of January 1966. 422 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:19,000 The year following his appearance at the conference in 2009, 423 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,000 Albert died. 424 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Albert was a very young man. 425 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000 He was a young man. 426 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,000 He was a young man. 427 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000 He was a young man. 428 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,000 In 2009, Albert died. 429 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,000 But the events at his farm had become the inspiration 430 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,000 for one of the greatest UFO hoaxes in history. 431 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,000 In 1976, ten years after the Tully incident, 432 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,000 artists Doug Bauer and Dave Chorley hatched a plan 433 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,000 to trick the world into believing alien spaceships had landed. 434 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000 Creations were called crop circles 435 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,000 and made international headlines. 436 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,000 People flocked to these alleged UFO landing sites, 437 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:19,000 but the artist's hoax put legitimate UFO research back decades. 438 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000 I think higher beings... 439 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,000 If somebody tells you that they know the answer to this, forget it. 440 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Two guys with a bit of water and some string 441 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,000 created every crop circle and pictogram in Britain 442 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000 and the greater world, but look at the press, 443 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,000 look at the media attention those two guys received, 444 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,000 and in many ways, that closed the case shut. 445 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,000 Artist Doug Bauer was shocked he'd pulled it off. 446 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,000 He was later interviewed at one of the crop circles he created. 447 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,000 I mean, how on earth can you fool the whole world, 448 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,000 which we've done, with just some flattened horns? 449 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,000 But he had, and after that event, 450 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,000 people thought twice about sharing a UFO story. 451 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,000 But imagine if the Tully incident happened today 452 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000 with iPhones, drones and surveillance cameras. 453 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,000 OK, so I'm Matt Tones. I'm a software professional. 454 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,000 I was also a UFO researcher with the Australian UFO Research Network 455 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,000 from 1997 through to the early 2000s. 456 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Matt spent the good part of ten years in the field 457 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,000 investigating cases all over Queensland, 458 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,000 a state five times larger than Germany. 459 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,000 Over the years, Matt has traveled the long miles 460 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,000 to listen to many stories of UFO sightings. 461 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,000 So anyone in the central Queensland region who had experiences, 462 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000 they would contact me and my job would be to go out, sit down, 463 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,000 interview them, collect any evidence they've got, 464 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,000 give them the ability to talk about it without being judged, 465 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,000 but also to be quite scientific and look at how we could evidence 466 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000 the validity that something is actually going on 467 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,000 and to distinguish between something that may be a delusion 468 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000 as opposed to a real experience. 469 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,000 Fair to say some of Matt's cases are questionable. 470 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,000 Of all the cases that I was involved with, 471 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,000 I would say the Gladstone case was definitely the standout. 472 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,000 The young guy, he was having regular abductions 473 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000 and UFO experiences. 474 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000 He would often be found naked on the highway north of the city 475 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000 in a state of confusion, didn't know who he was. 476 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,000 It would be according to him taken up into the spacecraft 477 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000 in a state of complete hysterica and shock, 478 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,000 and it wasn't until later when it calmed down 479 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000 that he started to recall what his experiences were. 480 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,000 I sat and met with them and his parents, 481 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,000 and they confirmed having sighted strange lights over the years, 482 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,000 but what was really interesting for me is 483 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000 not only did he have different scars and cuts on his body 484 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000 that correlated with these experiences, 485 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,000 but there was also a local photographer from the Gladstone Observer 486 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000 who was out photographing thunderstorms 487 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,000 at the time that I was working with this particular case. 488 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000 And while doing these photos, 489 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000 he came across this massive light in the sky 490 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000 and popped out of his car, took the photo, 491 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000 and it was on the front page of the Gladstone Observer, 492 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000 and it was this guy's exact house. 493 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000 So it was a third party completely unrelated 494 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,000 that validated that there is definitely something going on. 495 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,000 But the most puzzling case he's come across 496 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,000 happened closer to home on his brother's farm 497 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,000 in the vast sugarcane fields in land from the tropical coast. 498 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000 August 2021, my brother was out at the mines working. 499 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,000 He's got a camera at his property. He'd activated. 500 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,000 He got a notice on his phone. He opened it up, 501 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000 and the video started playing. 502 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000 Here's that video. 503 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Did you see it? 504 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000 Take another look. 505 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000 All of a sudden, we have an object in the scene, 506 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,000 and then it's gone after a single frame. 507 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,000 He phoned me when his shift finished that night, 508 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,000 sent me the video, and asked me what my thoughts were. 509 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000 You know, what did I think it was? 510 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,000 The conclusion was never immediately to jump to UFOs. 511 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000 The discussions were, what could this be? 512 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,000 UFO investigator Roger Stankovich has analysed Matt's footage. 513 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000 He's intrigued. 514 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,000 The object here just comes into one frame, which is the 23rd frame, 515 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,000 and it appears for 186 milliseconds we've worked out. 516 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000 It's not a drone. It's not an animal. 517 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000 It's just travelling at too fast a rate. 518 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000 UFO skeptics suggest the tape has been manipulated. 519 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000 Roger disagrees. 520 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,000 We've done some analysis, and we cannot find it being hoaxed 521 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,000 through the metadata or any other means. 522 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,000 I've never seen anything like it before, but... 523 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000 I just can't explain it. 524 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000 Matt pondered what he'd captured on tape, 525 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,000 and his conclusion changed the thinking on UFOs. 526 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,000 What if they weren't visitors from outer space, 527 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,000 but still warranted as unidentified phenomena? 528 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,000 There's no way to measure the speed of the object, 529 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000 because you don't see it in multiple frames. 530 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000 The theory that I put out there is whether or not this object's 531 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,000 actually phasing in and out of reality. 532 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,000 I tend to have a belief that rather than extraterrestrial, 533 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,000 I tend to ponder more extra-dimensional in nature. 534 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,000 This theory is now referred to as the interdimensional hypothesis. 535 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,000 When a UFO visits from a parallel universe, 536 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,000 or even from the future, 537 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,000 it's fast gaining traction globally. 538 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,000 So the interdimensional hypothesis postulates 539 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000 that we could have parallel realities that coexist 540 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,000 and sometimes lap over to each other. 541 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,000 It's a new theory being put forward by experts 542 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,000 to try and explain mind-bending UFO encounters 543 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000 like Matt Tone's one-frame anomaly. 544 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,000 But not everyone is a believer. 545 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,000 Personally, I don't believe that unidentified flying objects 546 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000 are interdimensional. 547 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,000 I think they're just nuts-and-bolts craft 548 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,000 that have an ability to move in unconventional ways 549 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,000 that is unique to them 550 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,000 and that can get them from A to B in a very quick period of time. 551 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,000 Regardless of where this object came from 552 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000 or how it got there, 553 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000 Roger has no doubt that it is a UFO. 554 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,000 So we've classified this as an unknown. 555 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000 So when we classify things as unknowns, 556 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,000 what that means is that we can't work out what it is, 557 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,000 but we can't really say that it's an extraterrestrial spacecraft 558 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000 because unless we have physical evidence of it, 559 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000 we can't commit ourselves to saying that. 560 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,000 So with the case we were left... 561 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,000 with my brother's case, we were left with more questions 562 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000 than what we started with. 563 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000 I want to know. 564 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000 I want to know. 565 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,000 The final investigation. 566 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,000 What could be a meeting that night? 567 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,000 The Australian military base attracting UFOs 568 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,000 like moths to a flame. 569 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,000 The final investigation takes us to Townsville, 570 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000 the unofficial capital of North Queensland, 571 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,000 a coastal city where the ocean meets the rainforest. 572 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,000 And where the days are clear and the skies are brilliant blue. 573 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,000 You'd never think you'd see a UFO here. 574 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000 Lucy Glasson has been a Townsville local for more than 20 years. 575 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,000 She loves living here. 576 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,000 Christine Beaches, sunny days, 300 days a year. 577 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000 Beautiful weather. 578 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,000 Lovely clear skies every night. 579 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,000 There's no pollution to hinder those stars. 580 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000 It's also a military hub 581 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000 and a defence installation for the Royal Australian Air Force. 582 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,000 The skies here are only interrupted by the sound 583 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000 and lights of military craft. 584 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,000 But according to Lucy, also UFOs. 585 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,000 I've seen a lot of aircraft helicopters 586 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,000 living in Townsville being the big garrison city. 587 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,000 It is. You do have a lot of different aircraft. 588 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,000 And so we have a lot of aircraft activity in the skies 589 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000 at all times of day and night. 590 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000 If you take the time to look up, 591 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,000 we really don't know what we may see up there. 592 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,000 In 2018 on a balmy summer evening, 593 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,000 Lucy was drawn to go outside and gaze at the night sky. 594 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,000 She saw something extraordinary. 595 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,000 But I could hear a lot of old-core-bombs and black-core-bombs 596 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,000 and I went out and had a look. 597 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:32,000 It was at this moment Lucy saw what she believed was a UFO. 598 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,000 Fortunately for UFO investigators, she reached for her camera. 599 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000 There was nine o'clock in the evening, precisely, 600 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,000 when I captured on film what I considered to be a UFO. 601 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,000 It was a bit too orange and then started moving erratically. 602 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,000 There was no noise at all from it, but I put that down the distance. 603 00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:01,000 There was nothing untoward in any other regard to that evening. 604 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,000 I was surprised. I did think to myself, 605 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,000 what could be emitting that light, 606 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:14,000 especially when it was so far away, like a planet, distance away? 607 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,000 At first glance, she thought it was the fiery planet Mars. 608 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,000 When I was looking at it, I did think it was Mars. 609 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000 It looked great, it was bigger, it was orange. 610 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000 But just trying to work out if it was in that general direction, 611 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,000 it didn't feel right. 612 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,000 Something was telling her to keep watching. 613 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:39,000 And then it started moving like no planet could move. 614 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:45,000 With the flickering that got my attention, it was almost like a pulse. 615 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,000 But it was the object's speed that made Lucy question 616 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000 whether what she saw was man-made. 617 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,000 The dance is the only way I can describe it, the way it darted around it. 618 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,000 We go up at crazy speeds. 619 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,000 It seemed to explode just before these accelerations. 620 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,000 I truly believe I was looking at a craft, 621 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,000 like a vehicle, three-dimensional, rotating, 622 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,000 emitting lights and turning out its lights. 623 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000 I noticed that it would be, I think I called, 624 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,000 three or four eruptions, explosions. 625 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000 Then I noticed that each time it was doing that, 626 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000 I thought of it as an expulsion, 627 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:40,000 as it seemed to be causing that crazy acceleration. 628 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000 Lucy could not explain it. 629 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,000 She reviewed the footage over and over again. 630 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,000 Living under a military flight path, 631 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000 she was used to seeing all kinds of aircraft in the sky. 632 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,000 It could not be a drone or an aircraft helicopter, reflection, 633 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:02,000 anything, nothing that I could think of. 634 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,000 Over the following days, Lucy scanned the local papers, 635 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,000 hoping someone had reported a similar experience. 636 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,000 Was this the same UFO Lucy saw? 637 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:22,000 I just felt I had captured something amazing, 638 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,000 to be honest, something that people push under the rug, 639 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,000 and I find it hard to admit they've seen, 640 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000 because I can't explain it. 641 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,000 Lucy reported her sighting to Townsville Military Base, 642 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,000 but her account fell on deaf ears. 643 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,000 No response, no order to laugh it off, to brush it off. 644 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,000 Lucy was flattened by the response. 645 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000 Like many other UFO witnesses, 646 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,000 she decided against officially reporting her sighting. 647 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000 The sad thing is that this is a subject 648 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,000 that should be taken so seriously, and it's not. 649 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,000 It's been neglected, people are subjected to ridicule, 650 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,000 and it's not receiving the scientific attention it deserves. 651 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000 Investigator Jamie Leonardo 652 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000 applauds people like Lucy, 653 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,000 who share their stories in a cynical world. 654 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,000 And it's about time the ridicule was removed, 655 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000 and I think that's one of the biggest frustrations. 656 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,000 We're missing out on a clearer picture, 657 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000 and there is something profound to be learned here. 658 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,000 He believes if we could just remove the stigma, 659 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,000 we'd be closer to answering that big question. 660 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000 Is there intelligent life out there? 661 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000 It's about time we realise 662 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,000 that we're not the most exceptional thing on planet Earth. 663 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,000 We're not the most exceptional thing in our solar system, 664 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000 nor we are in the galaxy in the wider universe. 665 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,000 But Lucy doesn't need anyone to tell her what she already knows. 666 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,000 Can't deny what I saw, can't deny what I look at on the footage. 667 00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:00,000 I 100% believe that I was looking at a UFO. 668 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,000 Nothing man-made, nothing from our realm. 669 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,000 One day, I hope I'm here to see what we are looking at, 670 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,000 to see who is looking back at us and what for. 671 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,000 That's the big question. Why? 672 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,000 Why?